Отправлено: 13.08.06 23:38. Заголовок: A debris of unanswered questions

A supposed Liquid Bomb Plot has been unmasked by the authorities...



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A debris of unanswered questions



Shall we....?

 Отправлено: 13.08.06 23:51. Заголовок: Re:

Grr... ne mogu pochinit links...

UPD: Fixed with tinyurl.com (may not last for too long) B.C.

 Отправлено: 14.08.06 10:21. Заголовок: Re:

i'd be the dumbest creature alive on earth to think that there aren't any muslim extemists whilling to kill innocent civilians for their own religious-political reasons.

oh... and one more thing... if authorities caught those motherf*ckers who killed 200 ppl in Spain trains and 52 ppl in London before they blew up, i'm sure there would be enough ppl in muslim communities who would complain of racial profiling and unfairness.
"why are you arresting them? they didn't do anything!" YET.

and what about those ppl who were taking a train to work or a plane to visit friends or relatives. just going about their everyday lifes, not hurting anybody and actually accepting all religions and races into their communities, believing in tolerance and peace. why do they have to die?

 Отправлено: 14.08.06 12:08. Заголовок: Re:

Iggy пишет:

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if authorities caught those motherf*ckers who killed 200 ppl in Spain trains and 52 ppl in London before they blew up

А разве в Испании поезд с рельс сошел не из-за превышения скорости? Или это был таки терракт?

 Отправлено: 14.08.06 12:24. Заголовок: Re:

фреезер

не не... помниш Madrid bombings, года 2 назад.... в метро взорвали... ~200 погибших

Google Madrid bombings

The devastating terror attacks in Madrid saw 10 bombs explode on four trains in three stations during the busy morning rush hour. (March 2004)

 Отправлено: 14.08.06 17:01. Заголовок: Re:

Agreed that there are muslim extremist, just as there are extremist of other nations or/and religions but...

Notice though how the 'authorities' aprehend the 'terrorist' when public morale begins to drop as far as the government is concerned.

And as terrible as it is, but the extremist 95% of the time carry out their mass murders...


soo..

to me it seems just a 'lil suspicious that 20 suspects were apprehended without any CLEAR evidence, and a plot to bomb 10 planes has been stopped on a tip.
Agreed, Tips are the major cause for the authorities to start investigating... but how did they know who to arrest, which airplanes to stop and so on?

We still dont really know who the suspects are, still dont know based on what evidence the authorities took action and who is even behind it.
You have to agree that Al-Qaida/Jihad/Telaban and etc. are not shy to take responsibility for their actions.. yet we havent heard anything so far..

***unless of course i've missed some updates.. ***

 Отправлено: 14.08.06 18:02. Заголовок: Re:

ShPeEoNkA пишет:

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but how did they know who to arrest, which airplanes to stop and so on?

kind of a silly question, don't you think?

ShPeEoNkA пишет:

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You have to agree that Al-Qaida/Jihad/Telaban and etc. are not shy to take responsibility for their actions

yeah, but on the other side, they are not going to take responsibility for something they didn't do. because these guys are not al queda or taliban. they woulld call themselves "martyrs of god" or some sh*t. and they would take credit for the bombings after the fact and not before.

P.S. Jihad is not a group people. Jihad is a "struggle" or "holy war" which is part of teachings of Quran.

 Отправлено: 14.08.06 22:10. Заголовок: Re:

Iggy пишет:

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Jihad is a "struggle" or "holy war" which is part of teachings of Quran.

Если точнее: "Слово «джихад» происходит от корневого слова в арабском языке, означающего «стремиться, прилагать усилие»."

Ну и вообще:
"В хадисах сказано, что Пророк Мухаммед сказал, вернувшись с одного сражения: "...мы вернулись с малого джихада, чтобы приступить к джихаду великому". Отмечается тот факт, что после этого Он не учавствовал ни в одном сражении."

 Отправлено: 14.08.06 22:40. Заголовок: Re:

На самом деле есть три вида джихада:

Малый джихад, против противника, с которым рекомендуется помириться нежели его убивать.
Средний джихад, против правителя. В плане не боятся указать ему правильный путь если он с него сбился. (Чего не случилось с самим Магометом, т.к. все перестали указывать ему на его ошибки...)
Большой джихад, против зла в самом себе, непрекращающаяся битва...

Это уже потом стало модно обьявлять любой поход, включая банальные грабежи, "войной за веру". Т.к. и солдатам так было проще погибать в бою - они были уверены что как мученники веры (шахиды) сразу попадут в рай.

 Отправлено: 14.08.06 23:14. Заголовок: Re:

The questions is not about willing "martyrs" and so on..
I'm not arguing that they exist, but isn't it just one side of the picture?
Terrorist fight their war with terror.. with mass media tragedies. But aren’t the “authorities” doing the same? And isn’t possible that some of these “attacks” are staged by those same authorities to strengthen the peoples’ ‘faith’ in their governments. Of course it is possible that the world is going crazy and we are headed for a World War III.. but if the world is made up of people who are “not hurting anybody and actually accepting all religions and races into their communities, believing in tolerance and peace” ( ©Iggy)- why?
.. personally I think we can all get along just fine if we just stop fixing each other… lately all these battles are about someone trying to show the other their version of a better way to live..

Anyway.. the morale of the story.. it’s all the government’s fault

 Отправлено: 15.08.06 00:46. Заголовок: Re:

ShPeEoNkA пишет:

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but if the world is made up of people who are “not hurting anybody and actually accepting all religions and races into their communities, believing in tolerance and peace” ( ©Iggy)- why?

don't miss quote. i didn't say the world is made up of these ppl. i'm talking about western culture only. in heavily muslim countries not all religions are accepted. moreover, if a muslim wants to convert to a different religion, punishment is death.


ShPeEoNkA пишет:

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it’s all the government’s fault

no it's not... it's people being a heard of cattle believing in whatever is thrown at them the hardest.
public opinion can be swayed in any way by the surrounding media and information, however, too few individuals these days will stop and think twice when propaganda dictates war and destruction.

I don't like the author, but he did say one smart thing:
"Great masses of people will more easily fall victim to a big lie, that to a small one" - Adolf Hitler

Those BIG LIES include, but not limited to:
-heaven and hell
-life afther death


there're millions of people in the world who believe in these things, but they are still lies. cuz ppl will believe in what they want to believe and it doesn't have to be true.

 Отправлено: 15.08.06 07:50. Заголовок: Re:

Iggy пишет:

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Those BIG LIES include, but not limited to: -heaven and hell -life afther death there're millions of people in the world who believe in these things, but they are still lies

So, you're a qualified expert on religion and afterlife? Or is that your personal (not so humble) opinion? How can you be sure that it's you who's right? Just because you yell it loudest? Well, that makes you no better than any zealot of any religion.

Iggy пишет:

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if a muslim wants to convert to a different religion, punishment is death.

Which is not really in the Quaran, as in the earlier texts the prophet said that all religions are accepted as long as they worship the same God, no matter how they would decide to call him. It was people's interpretation of the Quaran that created that outrageous idea. This is one of the many contradictions in Quaran that only seems valid for those people who accepted infallibility of the Mohammed.

 Отправлено: 15.08.06 11:23. Заголовок: Re:

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Iggy пишет: Those BIG LIES include, but not limited to: -heaven and hell -life afther death В.С. пишет: So, you're a qualified expert on religion and afterlife?

+1

 Отправлено: 15.08.06 11:56. Заголовок: Re:

..I'll be brief as well..:)

+2

..and the problem with lies so often is not that it's lies but that they are harmful..

 Отправлено: 15.08.06 13:46. Заголовок: Re:

 Отправлено: 16.08.06 02:52. Заголовок: Re:

Iggy пишет:

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don't miss quote. i didn't say the world is made up of these ppl. i'm talking about western culture only. in heavily muslim countries not all religions are accepted. moreover, if a muslim wants to convert to a different religion, punishment is death.

Just because someone is muslim doesnt necessarily mean that they aren't accepting of other religions or that they don want to live in peace.

Iggy пишет:

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no it's not... it's people being a heard of cattle believing in whatever is thrown at them the hardest. public opinion can be swayed in any way by the surrounding media and information, however, too few individuals these days will stop and think twice when propaganda dictates war and destruction.

and isn't it so often that that exact propoganda is dictated by the government in order to have the people believe in what that government is doing.. ex.. just because Bush says that life in those countries is bad doesn't mean that it is.. if Bush feels that he is freeing the people of Iraq and showing them a better life why are they fighting him?

there's no such thing as free speech my friends.. not really.. because mass media is still controled by the governemt, no matter how you look at it.

Iggy пишет:

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Those BIG LIES include, but not limited to: -heaven and hell -life afther death

don't get off topic.. if you want to discuss religion we can start a new topic.. (by the by: completely disagree with you)

Truly, The Quaran is a beautiful book... it has been "interperted" by that same "government" in order to control its people... it makes things much easier when you need to send you people on suicide missions..

Leta.. пишет:

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..and the problem with lies so often is not that it's lies but that they are harmful..

Lies are always harmful

 Отправлено: 16.08.06 07:56. Заголовок: Re:

ShPeEoNkA
ShPeEoNkA пишет:

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Lies are always harmful

..beg to differ..:)